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The Global Story

Is Iran schooling Trump in the art of the deal?

The Global Story

BBC

News, Daily News

3.8667 Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2026

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

This week President Trump and US Secretary of State Marco Rubio have said negotiations with Iran are going well and suggested a deal could be days away. Iran has disputed this.

Donald Trump says he wants “a great deal for all or no deal at all” but leaked details of a possible plan have some wondering if one side might be coming out on top.

We speak to the BBC’s International Editor, Jeremy Bowen, and ask if this might be the week Donald Trump loses the art of the deal – and the perhaps the whole war – with Iran.

CREDITS

Producers: Sam Chantarasak and Lucy Pawle

Digital Producer: Matt Pintus

Executive producer: James Shield

Studio Director: James Piper

Sound engineer: Travis Evans

Senior news editor: China Collins

Photo: An Iranian woman walks next to an anti-US mural in Tehran, Iran. (Credit: Abedin Taherkenareh/EPA/Shutterstock)

Transcript

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0:00.0

In January 2020

0:01.7

Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts.

0:05.8

In January 2020, a person with some first-hand experience of the Middle East wrote,

0:12.7

Iran never won a war, but never lost a negotiation.

0:18.4

Those words were written by Donald Trump in a tweet on the same day that the United States killed Iran's most prominent military commander.

0:28.0

Six years later, he's coming face to face with his own proverb as he tries to win a war and a negotiation with Iran.

0:38.8

This week, Secretary of State Marco Rubio told reporters

0:42.3

that a deal with Iran could be just days away.

0:46.2

There's strong alignment and agreement on what a preliminary draft should look like.

0:50.8

I think like anything was something like this.

0:53.2

It's going to take a couple days

0:54.5

to settle on even down to the disagreements over a word sentence.

1:02.4

Donald Trump said it will only be a great deal for all or no deal at all. But leaked details

1:10.3

of a potential draft between the United States in Iran

1:13.4

have got some wondering if there is in fact a clear winner.

1:19.1

From the BBC, I'm Tristan Redmond in London.

1:23.2

And today on The Global Story, we speak to the BBC's international editor, Jeremy Bowen,

1:29.0

on why this might be the week that Donald Trump finally lost the art of the deal with Iran.

1:41.5

All right, we're rolling.

1:48.1

Jeremy Bowen, I would ask you to introduce yourself, but you don't really need an introduction on this show. It's great to have you back. Thanks for joining us.

1:51.7

Well, it's nice to be here. Well, we are here in a moment of some uncertainty over Iran. We're

1:59.6

talking to you on Tuesday at 4.45 p.m. UK time. Over the last few days,

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