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Unbelievable?

Is Intelligent Design Actually Science? A Live Debate Prof Keith Fox vs Peter S. Williams hosted by Andy Kind

Unbelievable?

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Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.72.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 February 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

​In this Unbelievable? debate shot in front of a live audience at Leicester Secular Hall, Andy Kind hosts two Christian thinkers who still manage to clash sharply: Professor Keith Fox (Emeritus Professor of Biochemistry in the School of Biological Sciences at Southampton University, where he led research on DNA recognition and structure) argues that theistic evolution best explains life’s diversity, while Peter S. Williams (Christian philosopher and apologist, and Adjunct Professor in Communication and Worldviews at NLA University College, in Norway) contends intelligent design can be a legitimate scientific inference in biology as well as cosmology. With the twist that they attend the same church (and sit near each other!), the conversation stays warm but rigorous covering falsifiability, “designer/God of the gaps” concerns, irreducible complexity, junk DNA, and whether ID predicts anything testable. Audience Q&A pushes further into divine action, miracles, suffering, and the “fall,” as both guests probe what Christian belief can (and can’t) say about the natural world. SOCIAL LINKS Twitter: https://twitter.com/unbelievablefe Facebook: / https://facebook.com/premierunbelievable Instagram: / https://instagram.com/premierunbelievable Tik Tok: / https://tiktok.com/@premier.unbelievable 👉 Get bonus content, updates, fascinating articles, and early access to new episodes—absolutely free! Join now at www.premierunbelievable.com 🎉📢 • Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://www.premier.plus/unbelievable • More shows, free eBook & newsletter: https://premierunbelievable.com • For live events: http://www.unbelievable.live • For online learning: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/training • Support us in the USA: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support us in the rest of the world: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/donate

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0:00.0

My dad died when I was nine years old and it broke something in me.

0:05.0

I spent lots of times homeless, causing even bigger rifts in the family.

0:10.0

I was out of control.

0:12.0

Green Pastures is a Christian charity providing homes and support for people facing homelessness across the UK.

0:20.0

As soon as I walked in that place,

0:21.6

I knew there was something different about it.

0:23.6

Through Green Pastures,

0:25.6

Andy found a home,

0:26.6

freedom from addiction,

0:28.6

and a new beginning in faith.

0:30.6

It's the best thing I've ever done.

0:31.6

It released me from that 23 years of addiction.

0:35.6

And now I'm senior support worker here at Green Pastures Derby.

0:39.3

Find out more at greenpastures.co.uk.

0:47.3

Hello, welcome to Unbelievable with me, your host, Andy Kind. We are in Leicester at the Leicester Secular Hall, being wonderfully and

0:55.0

graciously hosted by the Leicester Secular Society. To my left, we have Peter S. Williams and to my

1:01.3

right professor, Keith Fox. And we're talking about intelligent design and theistic evolution.

1:09.4

And so it's in some ways a well-trod topic, but there's

1:13.2

always new angles and new audiences. If you're watching for the first time, you're very,

1:17.9

very welcome if you're regular. Well, thanks for sticking with us. So let's kick it off nice,

1:25.7

and gentle. You both share a fairly similar worldview.

1:30.8

You would both be Christian theists,

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