This is LBC from Global, leading Britain's conversation with James O'Brien.

Good morning. It's four minutes after ten. I hope you're all right. I hope you're coping with the pressures and the stresses that this

continuing lockdown and the broader COVID-19 crisis continues to inflict upon many, although not,

I think, all of us. The question that we're going to draw attention to first today is one that

has assumed quite a clamorous status over the last few days. And I don't think at this point,

although oddly, since I recorded that little introduction before the news, I've had a look at

a thankfully subtitled clip of Angela Merkel explaining infection rates in the context of loosening

lockdowns. And I do now find myself leaning more towards

one side of the question I'm about to ask you, or the argument I'm about to cite, than perhaps the

other. But as you can tell, if I've moved in the last 10 minutes, then I could probably move again.

It depends on largely what you tell me. But this increasing clamour,

Kirstama has joined in, although not actually quite as, what's the word I want, as stridently,

as some reports suggest. He wasn't demanding dates and deadlines. He was simply asking that the

government tell us how they're going

to handle it when the time comes, whenever that time may be. You heard in the bulletin there,

I think that the health minister, Nadine Dorries, has suggested there'd be no vaccine for 18 months

and therefore we can't come out of lockdown in the purest sense of the idea until that vaccine has been achieved.

Nadine Doris, of course, had an unpleasant dose of COVID-19.

It doesn't give her any more insights into the political questions and the economic questions,

but I think it means that we should at least listen to her, even if you'd normally be

minded not to.

The Daily Mail today on its comment pages asks the question, what's the plan for a return

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