Faithful Christians have always discovered this, that the church is an island of righteousness

in a sea of paganism. Right from the earliest times, the church has always had to stand against

the culture if it wanted to be faithful. And that doesn't mean that it's only negative. What positive

witness are we bearing in the midst of this to represent Jesus Christ well for them to see that

we actually have a savior who saves us from our sins and gives us hope and joy in the midst

of the crumbling culture.

Pastor Irwin, thank you again for sitting down. We're talking about your book, The Eclipse of God, our nation's disastrous search for a more inclusive deity and what we must do about it.

But I've also mentioned your other books, No Reason to Hide, and We Will Not Be Silenced,

because you are able to synthesize the world in which

we live through a biblical perspective. As a pastor, one of the realities that I face is I want people

to understand the word of God, but I also want them to understand the world in which they live

through the lenses of the word of God so that they're able to be, as Jesus says, shrew as serpents and innocent

as doves because the church is on a mission. And the mission is to reach the lost and gauge them.

And that's difficult to do when the light coagolates together and just talks about how dark

the world is. And so thank you for sitting down. In our previous episode, when we sat down,

we talked about how we got here.

And you mentioned three grave diggers, Freud, Darwin, Marx.

Those are probably three names.

A lot of people are familiar with,

but aren't very familiar with their teaching

and their philosophy and how gravely that's shaped our reality today.

I wanna maybe continue the conversation and we can kind of weave in and out of different

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