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Ask Pastor John

Is God a Needy Vacuum Trying To Suck Praise Out of Us?

Ask Pastor John

Desiring God

John Piper, Unknown, 163859, Pastor, Ask, Theology, Desiring God, Religion & Spirituality/christianity, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Questions

4.83.8K Ratings

🗓️ 7 March 2014

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

Pastor John responds to criticism of Calvinism, Edwards, and Christian hedonism by explaining how God’s glory is God’s love, not his neediness.

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0:00.0

Austin Fisher is the author of a new book titled Young Restless No Longer Reformed.

0:10.8

It's a book length critique of you, Pastor John, and Jonathan Edwards, and Yoke Hauvinism,

0:16.0

and on his blog recently, Kevin D. Young has written a fairly lengthy review, so there's

0:19.8

no need to do an in-depth review of the book here.

0:22.0

But there is something in the book, a specific critique of you that I want you to address

0:26.2

here on Ask Pastor John, and it comes on page 58 of his book where Fisher says your emphasis

0:31.8

on God's glory negates a proper emphasis on God's love.

0:36.6

He says that you've made God into a needy, glory-monger, trying to suck praise out of us, and

0:41.6

this, he says, has shrouded the beauty of God's self-giving, his love to us.

0:47.4

In Fisher's own words, he says this, quote, God's love is an end in itself.

0:53.3

And here I find a radical departure from Jonathan Edwards, John Piper, and the self-glorifying

0:58.9

black hole of Yoke Hauvinism.

1:02.2

Edwards claimed that the ultimate aim of God in creating the world was the full manifestation

1:06.3

of his glory, i.e. his self-glorification.

1:10.0

Love is just a cog in the bigger glory machine.

1:13.7

End quote.

1:14.7

Pastor John, how do you respond to this type of criticism?

1:18.6

Well, first of all, Tony, thanks for the question.

1:21.4

I am reading the book.

1:23.7

I have it here in front of me.

1:24.6

I don't know that I'll read the whole thing, and people will see why I might not finish

1:29.2

it before I'm done here, but let me start with that phrase, the self-glorifying black

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