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The Good Fight

Is French Secularism the Reason for Those Terrorist Attacks? (No.)

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 21 November 2020

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Caroline Fourest is one of France’s leading thinkers on issues of secularism and religious extremism. A writer for Charlie Hebdo from 2004 to 2009, Fourest was at the forefront of defending the magazine after many of its journalists were murdered in a brutal terrorist attack in 2015. An acclaimed feminist author and director, her works have often made an impassioned case for free expression in the face of intimidation and censorship. In this week's episode, Yascha Mounk and Caroline Fourest discuss the principles and the practice of laïcité, misconceptions of it in the United States, and her concerns over a culture of outrage that, she claims, "invades our privacy, assigns our identities, and censors our democratic exchanges." Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: goodfightpod@gmail.com Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams and Rebecca Rashid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

When we saw, for example, the Spiritual Council of Donald Trump, praying for the angels, that definitely cannot happen in France.

0:12.0

That's Laicity. Licity forbids politician to play too much

0:16.2

the religious card because we think it's not fair.

0:20.6

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:25.0

We are now once again in the midst of a terrible phase of exponential rise of new infections.

0:37.0

The pandemic is back.

0:40.0

And while the midterm outlook is looking increasingly optimistic, while it is now clear that we will eventually have a vaccine that will be safe and effective.

0:53.0

There's many months to go until that saves us.

0:58.0

So it is as important now as it was in March and April,

1:04.0

and May of this year for governments to do their job

1:10.0

to actually implement test, trace and isolate regimes, and for all of us to be aware of our

1:16.3

individual responsibility to contain the spread of this virus.

1:20.9

For the end is inside, many, many people might die between now and then.

1:27.0

I've also been thinking about the way we think about which country is doing well and which country is doing badly.

1:37.0

I'm struck by the fact that we compare a lot the United States in Canada, Germany, and the United States in Canada, Germany and the United States.

1:44.8

And there's a reason for that.

1:46.8

Germany and Canada have both done better than the United States,

1:50.0

and a lot of that is the fault of the utter responsibility of Donald Trump.

1:55.0

It's an easy thing to focus on it.

1:57.0

But in international comparison, I think it's actually the wrong way to think about it.

2:01.0

What's really striking to me is that countries

2:04.0

of democratic and non-democratic in East Asia have done so much better than either

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