Welcome to the conversations that matter podcast my name is John Harris I had a question

given to me what a week ago or so from a listener he said hey is Francis Chan woke and I don't know how to answer that

question I don't know I haven't done a deep dive on Francis Chan or anything I

actually don't really follow Francis Chan that closely but I do realize

Francis Chan has a tremendous

amount of influence in Christianity and an evangelicalism.

And I'll tell you my, what I know about Francis Chan.

I started to read his book Crazy Love now more than maybe 10 years ago and I guess

halfway through like the first chapter I just it was too simple for me. I just couldn't do it. And it because it's written on like a

fourth or fifth grade level and I just there was other things I would have rather read but

I didn't remember seeing anything bad in it and maybe it was a good book maybe it really helps him people he had a book on marriage I think called you and me

Together or forever and I really like that one is very simple but I thought it was a book that you could give out to people who

Wanted to get married or were getting married and and and it would help them so I did or I got a bunch of those this was again probably six years ago and I would give them to people friends at weddings and stuff

who were getting married just as part of our gift and I remember being very good. I don't remember there being problems with it

But since then there's just been little things

here or there sometimes they're not so little that people have sent to me they just

make me concerned ecumenical things especially coming from Francis Chan that I

just don't quite

understand. I did go to the same seminary that he graduated from master seminary

for one semester and we had a D-Lab it was called Discipleship Lab and they had two

professors that would kind of one would be there one

week one would be there another week and I don't know why the class was set up

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