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Is finding "flow" the key to happiness?

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4.45.1K Ratings

🗓️ 30 December 2025

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

In one of our favorite episodes of the year, a group of self-proclaimed “old ladies” dive for garbage — and unexpectedly find joy.

This is a story from The Optimist, The Washington Post’s section about the best of humanity. If you want more stories like this, subscribe to our newsletter. If you love hearing these stories on “Post Reports,” please send us an email at podcasts@washpost.com. You can reach Maggie Penman directly at maggie.penman@washpost.com.

Today’s show was produced by Maggie Penman. It was edited and mixed by Ted Muldoon. Thank you to Allison Klein. 

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0:00.0

Hey there, it's Martine. I hope you're having a great holiday season. Today, I wanted to share an

0:07.3

episode for my friend Maggie Penman. She's a reporter for The Optimist, which means she tells stories

0:14.2

about inspiring people and things that are going right in the world. Earlier this year, she did

0:20.5

the story I loved about a

0:22.8

possible secret to happiness. It's called Flow. Flow is this concept in psychology, and it

0:29.8

basically means getting in the zone. The people she talked to for this story find it in a very

0:35.3

funny way, but there are all kinds of ways to find it.

0:39.2

Cooking, knitting, doing yoga, playing a musical instrument. I personally feel flow when I'm

0:45.7

taking tennis lessons, which I'm not very good, but that doesn't matter. I'm in flow.

0:51.3

So whatever your thing is, I hope you're finding some time to do it this week.

0:56.6

And I hope you enjoy this episode.

1:00.4

We are really going to be zigzagging. It's a fairly shallow plateau. We can get three of us,

1:07.1

you know, 10, 12 feet apart.

1:10.0

Susan Bauer is holding court in a sandy parking lot across the street from a pond on Cape Cod.

1:15.7

The area's been cleaned up before, but we know that there's a construction site of crap,

1:21.6

and we have not found that yet.

1:24.0

So that's what we're really after.

1:26.0

At 85 years old, she's tiny but strong.

1:29.3

She's standing up straight and absolutely brimming over with energy.

1:33.7

As she talks, she shifts her weight back and forth and gestures with her hands.

1:38.5

A group of women are standing around her, listening intently, wearing bathing suits or wetsuits,

1:43.9

some of them have life vests on,

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