Obviously, each case is different for why someone makes a denominational move, but I do think one factor is this restlessness and just this sense of wanting to be connected to something transcendent.

I think a lot of younger people have this sense of feeling a little bit lost in the world

and needing something big to organize life.

And I think history is one way people try to find that, feeling historically connected.

Welcome to the Cross Bay Podcast, a show where we sit down with authors each week

for thoughtful interviews about the Bible, theology, church history, and the Christian life.

I'm Matt Tully, and today I'm talking with Gavin Ortland.

Gavin serves as senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Ohio, in Ohio, California.

He's also the author of Theological Retrieval for Evangelicals, Why We Need Our Past to Have a Future with Crossway.

Today, Gavin and I discuss whether or not Protestant evangelicals are out of touch with church history.

We explore the rich legacy of Christian thinking that evangelicals have as their own heritage.

The dangers of ignoring church history as if it doesn't

matter and has no bearing on our lives today and how to appreciate and learn from other Christians in the

past without letting go of our own doctrinal convictions. Let's get started. Well, Gavin Ortland,

thank you so much for joining us today on the Crossway podcast.

Yeah, great to be with you. Thanks.

So many people have noted the somewhat recent trend among evangelicals, especially younger generations, millennials, Gen Z,

that they are increasingly being drawn to be more historically rooted, often liturgical

expressions of Christianity and of church.

And I think it seems like many younger generations, we hear people saying that they're

unsatisfied with, you know, the consumeristic, therapeutic types of Christianity and types of doing church where it's almost like a concert sometimes.

And they want something more ancient is often a word that's thrown out.

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