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Ed Miliband, everyone would agree, is a central part of this Labour government.

The Minister for Energy Security and Net Zero's plans for Great British Energy are a crucial

part of Labour's vision. The ex-Labour leader is a hugely popular figure within the party,

but is his power and influence greater than we realise?

The new statesman's deputy editor, Will Lloyd, has spent months speaking to and observing Ed Miliband,

as well as speaking to friends and enemies of Miliband, and has written an in-depth profile of him for this week's magazine.

Will explores the question, how did Labour's former

leader become the most powerful man in government? I'm Anousa Kellean and you're listening to

daily politics from the new statesman. And joining me today is Will Lloyd. Hi, Will. Hello, Anish.

Hi. Just a brilliant profile. We've all been reading it all morning and it's out in this week's

magazine. So everyone can read it online or go and it's out in this week's magazine,

so everyone can read it online or go and pick up an issue. But let's start with what the profile

isn't. It's not the story of stabbed his brother in the back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's

bacon sandwich. Ed, Ed's Miliband has been around now for, I mean, you know, he was a treasury, Spad, Gordon Brown,

he's there in 1997, he's in the treasury for 10 years with a very short break, but he's in

there for 10 years.

MP for Doncaster North, he was the leader of the Labour Party, he has history, he has a huge

amount of history.

And there are certain things about Miliband that are in

the imagination, they're stuck in the imagination of lots of people who follow British politics very

closely. So the Ed Stone and the immigration controls mug and did the unions help Ed Miliband

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