Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics

and the Trump presidency for the new Spectator USA website. I'm joined today by Kelly Jane

Torrance, who is managing editor of the weekly standard and a very regular

contributor to Spectator USA. And we're going to be asking, is Donald Trump's Iran strategy

starting to work? So Kelly, in May, Donald Trump tore up the JCPOA, the Iran deal. And the reaction certainly here in London was typical Trump.

He's done something crazy.

Most European countries were aghast at the idea.

They thought the Iran deal for all its faults was a measure that stabilized the Middle East.

You did not think that. and you now think that the world is coming around slowly, and particularly Europe and France, in fact, coming around

to the idea that Trump may have been right all along on Iran. Can you explain why you're thinking

that? The last week, Freddie, has seen some real movement on Iran. Can you explain why you're thinking that? The Lashlis-Wefretti has seen some real movement on Iran and a lot of it gets tied back to

Trump's withdrawal from the JCPOA. Now, of course, you will recall that right when Trump

was making his decision, Emmanuel Macron actually came to D.C. and he was trying to persuade

Trump to stay in the deal.

Yes, we sent Boris Johnson at the time.

And it did not work.

And now it's France that it's starting to get a lot tougher on Tehran.

So just this week, the Foreign Ministry of France released a memo saying that it would not let its diplomats

go to Iran except for a very essential travel.

And it is saying, you know, and it's said to pass this on to other departments too.

It doesn't want any French government workers to be going to Iran.

And one of the reasons that it gave is the fact that it

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