Is Donald Trump ready to defy the courts?
Americast
BBC
4.2 • 2.8K Ratings
🗓️ 19 March 2025
⏱️ 30 minutes
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Summary
The U.S. President is setting up a major showdown with America’s judicial system. Sarah and Justin pick apart claims that Donald Trump defied a court order by deporting more than 200 migrants to El Salvador, despite a judge ordering to be turned planes carrying the migrants to be turned back if they were already in the air.
Legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Jennifer Rodgers gives her view on whether Trump has broken the court ruling, and whether America is facing a constitutional crisis.
HOSTS: • Justin Webb, Radio 4 presenter • Sarah Smith, North America Editor
GUEST: • Jennifer Rodgers, Former Federal Prosecutor and Professor of Clinical Law at NYU Law School
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. |
| 0:04.9 | It's finally happening. |
| 0:06.0 | The Trump administration and the courts in open conflict, open conflict that involves a rebuke from the Supreme Court, open conflict that involves the Trump administration saying, |
| 0:18.2 | we have the right to do what we want to do because it was given |
| 0:21.8 | to us by the people. |
| 0:23.4 | Is this the constitutional crisis that plenty of people saw coming? |
| 0:28.1 | Welcome to AmeriCast. |
| 0:32.0 | AmeriCast from BBC News. |
| 0:35.0 | You're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with lives of millions of people. |
| 0:37.8 | You're gambling with World War III. |
| 0:40.0 | President Trump's message is very simple. |
| 0:42.1 | We are done being taken advantage of. |
| 0:43.9 | Mr. President, in the name of our God, |
| 0:46.3 | have mercy upon the people. |
| 0:48.2 | And we're scared now. |
| 0:49.5 | Are you supportive of these onesies? |
| 0:51.4 | I'm supportive of vaccines. |
| 0:53.0 | What is happening? |
| 0:54.1 | Like, this is not America. This'm supportive of vaccines. What is happening? Like, this is not America. |
| 0:55.9 | This is a terrible nightmare. |
| 0:57.4 | This is what victory feels like. |
| 1:00.8 | Yeah. |
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