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🗓️ 31 October 2025
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Donald Trump’s decision to demolish the East Wing of the White House in favour of a new and much larger ballroom has sparked controversy - and conspiracy theories - across the U.S. The president has wanted to build the ballroom since his first term in office, but he told reporters over the summer that the plans would not "interfere” with any other parts of the White House.
The president says the project will be funded by private donations, backed by some of America’s largest tech companies, sparking questions over what they may want in return. It’s also triggered a number of conspiracy theories online about the presidential bunker that sits underneath the East Wing of the White House.
And, Sarah and Marianna speak to White House historian and First Lady specialist Katherine Sibley about the historic significance of the East Wing, what’s being lost in its demolishment, and what Melania Trump might think about losing her office in the complex.
HOSTS: • Sarah Smith, North America Editor • Marianna Spring, Social Media Investigations Correspondent
GUEST • Katherine Sibley, White House historian
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| 0:36.0 | Now, it's hardly breaking news to say Donald Trump has done something that has shocked Washington or surprised the world, |
| 0:43.0 | but he might have outdone himself when he took a wrecking ball to the east wing of the White House. |
| 0:49.2 | People are genuinely flabbergasted that he has just knocked down the whole of one wing of the historic |
| 0:57.0 | seat of the American presidency. He's done it to make way for a grand new ballroom that |
| 1:02.5 | he's going to name after the sitting president won Donald J. Trump. And in the meantime, |
| 1:07.3 | they're making renovations to the presidential bunker, the emergency |
| 1:10.8 | operation center that is underneath the East Wing. So he's obliterated 120 years of history |
| 1:18.7 | in one fell swoop. And people are wondering, what's he really up to? Welcome to AmeriCast. |
| 1:27.4 | AmeriCast from BBC News. |
| 1:30.6 | When Donald Trump calls, they say, yes, sir. |
| 1:32.9 | Right away, sir. |
| 1:34.0 | Happy to lick your boot, sir. |
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