Give me a definition of terms between you talk about crunchiness and extreme crunchiness.

We're talking about something like a focus on healthy living, that includes food, avoiding certain chemicals, using drinks, home choices to promote perceived health.

So that's one definition.

That's a very slippery slope to get on to say, wait a minute, I'm using seed oils and detergents

and plastic.

And this is dishonoring to the Lord because I'm not stewarding my body well.

Stewardship kind of becomes this word, like this idea, an entity where you can kind of use

it and abuse it to kind of say, well, you're not being a good steward. Right. Food is a means of sustaining our body to serve the Lord. Yeah. Not to live longer. What is good stewardship of your body, your home, your kids? How do you think through that in a prudent way, you know, going back to Proverbs, because it helps us make decisions.

So how do we move forward without feeling like, all right, we can't know all the answers,

so let's just throw up our hands. Where's the Cheetos?

All right, Greg.

For those who aren't familiar with you, tell them about what you do,

your work in biblical counseling as a professor and so forth.

Yep.

Thanks for having me, first of all.

My name is Greg Gifford.

I teach here at the Masters University.

I do teach biblical counseling.

That's kind of my passion and love.

It's the emphasis I teach here at the school.

I've been here since 2017 doing that. Oh, I also host Transforms and get to work with Todd Freel out in Atlanta doing a lot of biblical

counseling resources, so that's been a blast. Did that desire to do biblical counseling come out of

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