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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Is Crime That Bad, or Are the Vibes Just Off?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 22 June 2022

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

From New York to San Francisco, there’s a sense that crime is on the rise in American cities. And in some ways, that’s true: Violent crime has risen. Murders are up nearly 40 percent since 2019. But property crime has fallen for years. And how we define crime, and what’s causing its increase, is a complicated issue — as is what we should do about it. So on today’s episode of “The Argument,” Jane Coaston is joined by Rafael Mangual and Alex Kingsbury to debate what’s really going on with crime rates and why people feel so unsafe. Mangual is a senior fellow and the head of research for the Policing and Public Safety Initiative at the Manhattan Institute. “I do think this is more than just a bad-vibes moment in a lot of places. It really is as bad as it’s ever been or close to it,” Mangual says. Alex, an editor at large at New York Times Opinion, thinks we need to first change the narrative of how we understand crime. “Crime as a general term is just really broad,” Alex says, adding, “Where you sit determines what you see.”

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0:00.0

It's the argument.

0:03.4

I'm Jane Kostin.

0:04.9

And today…

0:05.9

Crime, crime, crime, crime.

0:08.3

Yes, crime.

0:10.4

Everyone's favorite political catchal.

0:14.8

Republicans say Democrats are soft on crime.

0:18.1

Democrats say Republicans are over-policing with no accountability, and they aren't doing

0:22.1

anything about crime either.

0:23.9

And what do voters think?

0:25.2

Well, it's complicated.

0:27.2

Earlier this month, San Francisco's were called their high profile progressive district

0:31.0

attorney.

0:32.0

Chesa Boudin didn't make it a full-term in office.

0:34.5

But at the same time, criminal justice performers won't have a number of other races.

0:38.8

In the same state!

0:40.2

So it's hard to draw any conclusions.

0:42.7

But what is clear is that crime, or the perception of crime, is driving our political conversations.

0:48.7

So today, we're talking about what's really going on with crime rates across the country.

0:52.1

Are they as bad as people feel they are?

0:54.5

What does that mean?

0:55.5

What policies might actually help?

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