All right. So I am here today with Jordan Harbinger, the co-founder of the Art of Charm and many talents.

I was on a show not too long ago and such an interesting guy. I wanted to have him on my show. So welcome. How are you?

Good man. Thanks. I appreciate the opportunity.

Yeah. So you're doing all kinds of big things today. I know. Are you guys are one of the bigger podcasts out there as a kind of health slash health area, right?

Yeah. We are the number one podcast and self help and number one and health right now. Sometimes we do get out with the dense average over at Savage Lovecast for number one and health.

But yeah, it's it's in health. It's either going to be me day of as free or Dan Savage and usually Dan takes it man. Damn New York Times syndicated columnist.

It's got the it's got a lot of backing, but you know, we can try.

Well, good. You're like bootstrapped your way out of this without the big institutions behind you can caught up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. It's a lot of work. But you know, that's we do it all for you guys.

So you know, I'm all about the good life. This show grand theorist everything. I think kind of someone just exploring life and you know, I focus down on those four big areas health, wealth, love and happiness.

And for you, the art of charm is pretty much about so piece of learning, you know, self improvement. I thought, obviously got a little bit of the slant towards love slash dating. So let's start out. I like to start in the middle.

What is the biggest thing that you think the biggest insight you're bringing to your audience that we can talk about today?

I mean, it's really hard to figure out what any sort of biggest insight is because I guess that depends on each person, right? So it's for you for you. What you've seen just you know, Peter, driver called feedback analysis from the audience, a consistent theme of going, thank you. You have enlightened beyond like, obviously, I'm sure you like people on.

That's the subject. But if you had to kind of narrow down the one or two days, let's start by talking about those. What are the, let's start with just pick one that that stuck out to you over that you've been doing it for a couple of years now, right?

Seven years, seven and a half. Yeah, one of the longest running shows in iTunes actually.

Awesome. So what's what's kind of been a couple consistent themes you've seen that people go before I met you, I was lost. I call it planes of reality. They had low levels of reality like potatoes in the Republic, the cave people looking at shadows and you brought them out of the cave and said, look at the light. What's the insight, some of the insights you've given?

Well, I mean, essentially, I think the number one, if we're looking at looking at throwing it on a pyramid is the idea that confidence and in the innocent self confidence and your own personal image, the way you appear to others can be a learned skill.

I think a lot of people think that you're born with it or you're not and are in fact the old slogan of the art of charm, our school used to be the school we run in LA where we teach the stuff used to be either you're born with it or you learn it from us, but actually it's not in born at all.

Yeah, yeah, and we had to change it because you know, as the science has shown and we kind of thought we were getting away with it for a while. The science has shown we've talked about over and over.

No one is born confident. In fact, there's absolutely no genetic basis for whatsoever. There might be certain people who are born better looking or taller or something like that that elicits better positive feedback from the external environment over time and add a younger age that and helps them develop confidence, but there's nobody's born with it and it's always developed as a result of the feedback that you get and the mindsets that you have, which of course are largely what dictate what we're doing.

What dictate what kind of feedback you get from others. So we focus on training those mindsets so that people can get positive reinforcement from the outside, which will then reinforce those belief systems, which caused confidence.

So it really is a learnable skill and it's a physical skill largely.

Right. So, okay. That's interesting. I was just reading a good book like Dr. Mollum. It's called Inheritance. It's about epigenetics and the genes. And so it's a similar thing.

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