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The Dad Edge Podcast

Is College Actually Worth It For Your Kids? (The Seventh Grade Math Test to Decide) featuring Thomas Caleel

The Dad Edge Podcast

Larry Hagner

Education, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness

4.8 β€’ 1.6K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 20 April 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, I sit down with Thomas Caleel β€” former Director of MBA Admissions at the Wharton School, founder of Admittedly, and one of the most clear-eyed voices in the college admissions space. This one is personal β€” I've got an 18-year-old headed to University of Arkansas in four months, and a sixth grader whose decisions today will quietly shape where he ends up ten years from now.

Thomas opens the black box of college admissions and explains what's actually changed, what most parents are getting wrong, and what admissions officers are really looking for. The shift from well-rounded candidates to "vertical spikes" of deep passion and genuine interest is one of those things that sounds simple but changes everything about how you should be thinking about your kid's path right now.

We talk about the right time to start, why the seventh-grade math assessment quietly matters more than most parents realize, how doing fewer things with real intentionality is more powerful than stacking clubs and activities, and why your child's college essay should tell their story β€” not yours.

We also get into the financial reality most parents aren't prepared for β€” new federal loan caps, how to negotiate financial aid after admission, what Juno is and why it matters, and why sending your kid to a low-tier private college that costs $50,000 a year is something Thomas calls criminal.

And he gives a refreshingly honest answer to whether college is actually worth it.

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Timeline Summary

[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities

[1:02] Larry's 18-year-old is leaving for University of Arkansas β€” and Thomas's son is heading to NYU

[2:45] When change goes according to plan β€” and why it hits harder than you expect

[4:45] What most parents are missing β€” the pressure cooker, the doom race, and why more is not always more

[5:56] Why admissions is a black box β€” and why bad information fills that vacuum

[7:23] Thomas's background β€” former Director of MBA Admissions at Wharton, 20 years shaping admissions strategy globally

[9:05] How college admissions has changed β€” from well-rounded candidates to vertical spikes of deep passion

[10:49] Why schools now prioritize socioeconomic diversity β€” and what full ride programs actually look like

[11:37] What the internet did to admissions β€” 50,000 applicants where there used to be 8,000, and rates under 3% at Yale

[12:00] Do fewer things intentionally and well β€” the sneakerhead who got into Stanford

[15:18] Why volunteering doesn't help anymore if your kid doesn't actually care about it

[17:31] How grit, initiative, and unglamorous jobs stand out just as much as expensive summer programs

[19:29] The most common question Thomas hears β€” when should we start?

[19:51] The seventh-grade math assessment that quietly determines whether your kid can pursue STEM majors

[22:41] Middle school is for exploration β€” you don't need to pick a direction, just stay warm on the fundamentals

[24:11] What universities are really asking β€” not what do you want to do with your life, but what are you curious about right now

[24:47] Why your kid won't tell you the truth β€” and why a neutral third party changes everything

[29:47] How to have a real conversation with your kid about what they actually want

[30:36] Listening without judgment β€” the parent who almost killed their child's essay by refusing to let them tell their real story

[33:06] How to handle the "I want to study dance" conversation β€” without crushing them

[35:45] Is college a scam? Thomas's honest, nuanced answer β€” and why the lottery ticket mentality is dangerous

[37:20] Why low-tier private colleges charging $50,000 a year are, in his words, criminal

[40:38] What's changed in the political arena β€” new federal loan caps and what they mean for families

[41:51] Why the ROI conversation has to happen before you commit to a school

[44:08] How to negotiate financial aid after you've been admitted β€” and why schools will sometimes find money

[45:03] Juno β€” the collective bargaining platform that negotiates lower interest rates on student loans

[48:01] What Admittedly is β€” former admissions officers, group coaching, weekly office hours, and accessible pricing

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Five Key Takeaways

  1. Admissions has shifted from well-rounded to deeply interesting. A kid who does one thing with real passion and depth will stand out over a kid who stacks clubs and activities to check boxes.
  2. The seventh-grade math assessment quietly shapes whether your kid can pursue the majors they want. Start paying attention earlier than you think you need to.
  3. Your child's essay needs to tell their story β€” not your version of their story. Listen without judgment and let them lead.
  4. The financial conversation has to happen early and honestly. With new federal loan caps and rising tuition, the ROI of each school choice matters more than ever.
  5. College is not a binary decision. It can be great, but it's not the right path for everyone. Know your child, know their goals, and help them build the path that actually fits β€” not the one that looks right from the outside.

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Links & Resources

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Closing

If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: the decisions your kid makes in middle school are already shaping where they'll end up β€” and most parents don't find that out until it's too late to do anything about it.

Thomas Caleel has sat inside the room where these decisions get made. He knows what gets someone in and what gets them passed over. And the good news is that none of it requires privilege, expensive programs, or a perfect resume. It requires knowing your kid, helping them tell their real story, and starting the right conversations while there's still time to matter.

If your kid is anywhere from sixth grade to senior year, this episode is required listening.

Go out and live legendary.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Dad Edge podcast. The Dad Edge movement creates leaders of men, leaders of families, and leaders of communities. We will not only impact this generation of fathers, but the next generation as well. The kids we are raising will have better chances and odds stacked in their favor because of the amazing example

0:21.2

that their fathers emulated for them. We are here to change the world. We are here to change

0:27.6

relationships. We are here to positively disrupt this generation of fathers so no man goes to their

0:33.6

grave with regret. We disrupt the drift of busyness and replace it with razor-focused intention,

0:40.3

passion, purpose, and direction.

0:43.7

We are the Dad Edge,

0:45.7

and we're here to change the game.

0:47.8

We're here to change the game.

1:04.8

I don't know. Thomas, welcome to Dad Edge, man, it's good to have you here.

1:13.8

Thank you, Larry. It's great to be here. Appreciate the opportunity. Me too, man. And you know, this is timely because I have a, I have a son who's leaving for University of Arkansas here in four months. But who's, who's counting the day? It's actually

1:17.7

August 5th, but who's counting the days at all? Who's counting the days? I'm, I've got one headed to

1:21.9

NYU and, yeah, counting as we speak. Oh, so same thing. Same thing, I got a high school senior who decided he wanted to go live in a big city, and he picked the biggest city he could, and off he's going. Man, how far away is that from you? It's across the country, isn't it? It's across the country. I live in Southern California, Santa Barbara, so it's quite a ways away. but actually both of, I have two boys. Both of them went to boarding school. They both went to very different boarding schools completely of their own volition. And so my oldest has been in Connecticut for the last four years. And we miss him terribly, but but get to see him fairly frequently so man that is that's a

2:04.7

long way i'm i'm having a hard time with five and a half hours yeah no it is it is yeah my uh my wife

2:12.4

always tells me she's like i mean she's really really tight with my 18 year old but she's like

2:16.1

i think you're going to take this worse than me and i was like like, I think you're right. I think you're right. No, exactly. It's hard. But it's wonderful to watch them go off and find their own footing and become their own person, right? Yeah. Yeah. I, it's, I actually interviewed somebody else, not too long ago, and she was an expert on change.

2:38.0

And, you know, so when things, obviously in life, when they change, and a lot of times when we think of change, we think of really bad change, like something traumatic.

2:44.9

But one of the things that I brought up to her, and I ended up, it was so unexpected, man, but I ended up like literally just like crying on the on the podcast as I'm interviewing this woman. I was like, hey, and I didn't expect it by Astro. I was like, hey, well, let's talk about this other type of change. I was like, all this great stuff is happening with my son. He's getting a scholarship. He's doing this. He's doing that. like he's been wanting to go to University of Arkansas for as long as I can remember. He's actually, it's actually happening.

3:08.9

But like,

3:09.4

I'm so happy for him,

3:10.4

but I'm so devastated at the same time. She's like, oh, what you're talking about is when change actually goes according to plan. And I was like, I love that. I love that phrase. Yeah. And we have a lot of parents in our program that are that are wrestling with this

3:25.8

exact issue right now like it's there's always been this goal get you know help my child get

3:30.6

into the university of their dreams and now like oh wait now that dream is coming true yeah how does

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