We are going to dive deep with one of the biggest pastors on YouTube about what God really says about money,

both in the Old Testament, the New Testament, how we can actually apply it to our lives today and our businesses

and just how we steward the families, our wealth, and all the things that we're trying to do.

I have got Jeff Durbin from Apology at Church. What's up? What's up, brother? Honor to be here.

Yeah, I'm excited to have you. And, dude, I've seen you doing your street preaching, your guys' debates and all this cool stuff. So I think it's going to be really cool because it's like, you're not one of those preachers that's just kind of like hype and like get people excited and you know I think there's a time in place for that but I want

to dive deep into theology about what God really says about these subjects got it so I think one of

the first things that people want to know is like is it is it bad to be rich is bad to pursue ambition and making money? That's actually something I've been struggling with lately of like, how much is enough? Like, when am I, you know, is this money the root of all evil? Like, what does the Bible actually say about these things? Yeah, it's interesting because people often misquote that passage you're referring to. It says love of money is the root of all evil.

The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. People were actually quoted saying

money is the root of all evil when it actually is the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.

And so what typically happens in Christian communities and this is something to just people just come in and

adopt is we prioritize being poor as a spiritual virtue, which is nothing, there's nothing like that in

scripture as there's some piety or something spiritually, deeply spiritual in being actually

poor, monetarily poor. We live in a fallen world, so there is the tragic

situation of actual poverty, and we are called by God to care for the poor, to love the poor.

And one of God's, I think, grandest indictments in the Old Testament is what God's covenant people

do or don't do to the orphans, the fatherless children, the widows,

and to the poor. So like when he's challenging his people for their unfaithfulness, one of the things

he has is the peak constantly, it's a cherry on top is it's what they do to abuse the orphans,

the fatherless, the widows, and the poor. And so God cares about the poor, being poor is a tragic

situation in a result of a fallen world. However, what Christians have often done in history

is they've prioritized the spirituality of being poor, but that is something that scripture

actually would argue against. God speaks, I'll give you an example of this. So like the Proverbs,

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