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A great story in the paper yesterday about how gentle parenting is making life a nightmare for nurseries

because the kids are out of control. They will be adults eventually. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

I'll tell you who I'm not afraid of is Nigel Evans, because he's one of those

rare common sense retired politicians, of course, former deputy speaker of the House, a wise man

and an attractive man as well. Good morning, Nigel.

Good morning, Mark. How are you? Listen, I'm very well indeed. So many stories to get through.

Let's have a look at this particular story in the telegraph. Labor to ration NHS referrals to hit through. Let's have a look at this particular story in the Telegraph. Labor to ration

NHS referrals to hit targets. My viewers and listeners will be wondering why they pay their taxes.

Yeah. Listen, it's just gone seven o'clock and you'll have a lot of your viewers getting ready

for work, as you say, getting their kids up and giving them breakfast and

basically alarm clock Britain gearing in. And yet you look at this story. And the worst thing about it

is, of course, they're incentivising GPs. They get paid money when somebody is referred back to

them rather than being referred to hospitals.

And I would think that doing that is really just going to increase the problems

further down the line for the National Health Service.

It's not solving the problem.

It's massaging the problem a little bit, and that's all it's going to do.

But it is all going to come back on the National Health Service at some stage, and maybe even worse. This could actually cost lives. It could most definitely cost lives.

I know it's something of a simplistic parallel, Nigel, but when Elon Musk bought Twitter,

he axed about 75% of the staff and the product improved and began making money. Now, I know that the

NHS is a complex and more Byzantine organisation, but we're going to have to step away from

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