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Hello and welcome to Coffeehouse Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Isabel Hardman and I'm joined by Katie Balls and James Versaith.

Well, Katie, we've had the integrated defence and foreign policy review from

Boris Johnson today. Just explain what is in it. Yes, so it's very wide-ranging and it's been

talked up as, I suppose, the most full assessment of the UK's approach to foreign policy since the end

of the Cold War. And I think if we're looking

at the topics or the parts of this, very lengthy document, which have got, I suppose, the most

people talking, the fact that it's Russia that is identified as the most active threat to the UK

and the most hostile. But then China is also identified and that's described as a systemic challenge.

And the differentiation is this idea that China is a power that ultimately the UK is going to have to

work with and they cite various factors into why China poses problems for the UK, but also factors

as to why the UK needs to have a dialogue with

China. And it's been quite interesting because when Boris Johnson presented this to the

house, I think that he looked at the interventions from the Tory party, the bulk of which were

focused on China. So you had broadly welcoming this idea of focusing on technology, new sciences, not sticking to

the status quo when we're talking about forging the UK's place.

But I think the sticking point was that you have from several senior Tories, Jeremy Hunt, Tobias

Elwood, Julian Lewis, ultimately bringing up the fact that they were not sure this had gone

far enough on China is a systemic challenge really drastic enough, given many of the problems in China,

not least to mention, for example, the treatment of the Uyghur Muslims.

James, another row that's been sparked by this review is that the UK is going back on its pledge

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