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The Peter McCormack Show

Is Apple Abusing its Monopoly Power? With David Heinemeier Hansson - WBD234

The Peter McCormack Show

Peter McCormack

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4.72.8K Ratings

🗓️ 21 June 2020

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Location: Zoom Date: Wednesday, 17th June Project: Basecamp Role: Founder & CTO

New concerns have been raised around Apple's business model after the company rejected future updates for Basecamp's newly launched email app Hey. Apple initially approved the app, but then put it on hold — meaning Basecamp couldn't submit any updates or bug fixes until it added an option for users to subscribe to Hey's service through an in-app purchase.

Basecamp has disputed this decision, saying it shouldn't be forced to allow users to sign up for Hey through in-app purchase, subjecting then to Apple's 30% tax on its subscription fee.

HEY's predicament has highlighted inconsistencies in Apple's policy execution, having allowed other apps with similar business models to exist in the App Store without mandatory in-app subscriptions. They have also made exemptions for streaming applications and rivals; Amazon and Netflix.

The case has raised questions about how Apple is operating and whether it's exercising an anti-competitive advantage over services from third-party developers.

HEY's fight comes as the company is already facing two EU antitrust investigations after Spotify and other firms filed similar complaints to those raised by Basecamp.

In this bonus episode, I talk to Basecamp Founder & CTO, David Hansson. We discuss Apple's threats to remove their email app HEY from the App Store and Apple's monopolistic business model.


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0:00.0

If Apple chooses in their soul and absolute power to squash us now, there's

0:06.6

literally nothing we can do but take it.

0:09.1

Hello there from Bedford UK, how are you all?

0:11.8

Welcome to the What Bitcoin did podcast, which is brought to you by Cracken.

0:15.0

I'm your host Peter McCormack and today I've got a bonus interview with David Hanson from

0:19.2

Basqueam to discuss whether Apple is abusing their monopoly position with regards to

0:23.9

their recent rejection of Basqueam's new email app, hey, but before that I do have a quick message

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Okay, so on to the show today and we have David Hanson, the founder and CTSO of

1:06.5

Bascamp. And this week Apple rejected an update from Bascamp's new email

1:10.9

app, hey, saying they had to allow people to subscribe within the

1:13.9

app which would subject them to Apple's 30% tax on subscription fees so this is a

1:19.2

bit of a different episode and while we don't get into Bitcoin it is something I did want to cover as

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