Here we are in a situation where, again, intelligent people are, frankly,

pretending that we still live in an America that's defined by the stain of racism.

In a way that if our grandparents could hear us talking, they would be appalled

that we would compare ourselves with them.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster.

I'm Constantine Kissen.

And this is a show for you, if you want, honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest today is making a lot of ways at the moment.

He is an associate professor at Columbia University and author of World Racism,

John McWater. Welcome to Trigonometry.

Thanks for having me.

It's a great pleasure to have you, John.

You've written a book, as I said, is making a lot of waves in the moment at the moment.

A lot of our audience, big fans of yours and know who you are,

but there will be also a lot of people, particularly here in the UK,

who are less familiar with your work.

Tell everybody a little bit about your story.

Who are you? How are you where you are?

What has been the journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

Well, actually, what I am is I study academic linguistics.

I'm a linguist at Columbia University.

And the linguistics work that I do is not usually about race issues.

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