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...day since Charlie Kirk was assassinated, we would be concluding Sittings Shiva if we were Jewish,

but it is appropriate, nevertheless,

to dedicate the full seven days. Charlie funeral will be this weekend.

Talk about Charlie and about the looming Schumer shutdown.

I'm joined by Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma.

Uniquely qualified for this because he was a minister of gospel and word before he got into politics.

Charlie was a guy in politics before he began an evangelist.

James Langford, welcome, Senator.

Your thoughts a week after the murder of Charlie.

Yeah, Hugh, it's good to see again.

And it is exceptionally difficult still to be able to process through for the nation.

I tell you that for you and I that have lived a little bit longer on it, we've seen painful moments before for Dave.

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