Hey, Gideon.

Hey, Tyler. How's it going?

I'm good. Thanks so much for being here.

Thank you for having me.

So you recently wrote an 11,000 word piece, 11,000, right? Roughly.

Roughly. I think about that, yeah.

So you recently wrote an 11,000 word piece on one of the more common right, roughly? Roughly. Okay. I think about that, yeah.

So you recently wrote an 11,000 word piece on one of the more controversial subjects of our time, which is the fact that people around the world are having fewer and fewer children.

Can you explain why this kind of like biological reality has become such a fraught subject?

Well, it's interesting that you would start off by calling it a biological reality because become such a fraught subject? Well, it's interesting that you would start

off by calling it a biological reality because one of the things that I've ran into over the last

couple of months in talking to people about working on this story is that so many people,

and not even people I would necessarily think of as conspiracy mongers, had this reaction of like,

oh, is it endocrine disruptors in perfume?

And like that, like there was an assumption that this really was something biological.

And it is biological in an ultimate sense.

But whatever is going on is not biological in the sense of an issue of actual infecundity.

It is much more of a cultural thing in terms of people

deciding not to have kids as opposed to not being able to have kids. So it's like right off the bat,

it's tough to talk about, obviously it's a biological phenomenon, but it also is largely a cultural

phenomenon. So interesting. In your piece, you mentioned that conservatives see depopulation as a bigger threat than climate change.

Elon Musk, who was taken it upon himself to have a whole legion of children, describes depopulation as the biggest danger of civilization faces by far.

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