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The Documentary Podcast

Is al Qaeda Winning? Part one

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Documentary, Society & Culture

4.32.7K Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2008

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Seven years into the global war on terror, is al-Qaeda winning? It's a deceptively simple question, one Owen Bennett-Jones asked in Riyadh, Peshawar and Baghdad, as well as London, Brussels and Washington for this series in four parts.

Transcript

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Thank you for downloading from the BBC.

0:03.0

For details of our complete range of podcasts and our terms of use,

0:07.0

go to BBCWorldService.com slash podcasts.

0:11.0

And now the first in a special BBC documentary series is Al Qaeda winning.

0:17.0

Owen Bennett Jones reports on the global battle for hearts and minds.

0:31.0

Ally is a bright, bouncy, five-year-old boy.

0:35.0

With a cheeky smile, dimples, and eyes squeezed, shattered in concentration,

0:40.0

he's learnt this song by heart.

0:42.0

But it's not a nursery rhyme.

0:44.0

It's a tribute to the late Abu Musab al-Zakawi,

0:47.0

the Al Qaeda leader in Iraq, a man who used to behead people on camera.

0:54.0

A lion steadfast as a mountain he sings,

1:00.0

a sword for the battlefield, indomitable warrior swift as a steed.

1:05.0

Ally lives in Jordan, and his father describes himself as an al Qaeda strategist,

1:10.0

as he reclines in his sofa he grins with delight as his son performs.

1:24.0

More than 3,000 kilometers away in Peshawar, Pakistan,

1:30.0

another boy, a teenager called Jahangir, moves to a rather different beat.

1:36.0

Can we pretend to be when ourselves aren't free?

1:45.0

As Jahangir sings, he's also watched by a father beaming with pride.

1:51.0

The Islamists in Peshawar have tried to ban music,

1:54.0

just listen to father chuckles, even in a shadow of the Taliban.

2:06.0

Two boys, two tunes, two world views.

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