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a guess. For that was a life changer and I'm still sort of big on cycling around my area now so, for that one change really low.

Enjoy in every sip with red cups now back at Starbucks.

Hi everybody and welcome to another debate from Intelligent Squared. I'm John Don Van and in this one we're going to be crossing paths with some decision making that's going on right now in the Supreme Court.

The issue is affirmative action in college admissions. Now of course affirmative action clashes have been going on for years.

We have debated it in the past on our stage and the Supreme Court has ruled on it a number of times. Finally landing in 2003 on what it intended to be a workable formula at least for a time that universities

cannot legally set aside quotas for racial minorities. They cannot set numbers but they can take race into account as one of many factors to consider when assessing an individual student for admission.

But now something else is going on. The court is considering a fresh set of legal challenges. These involve admissions at the University of North Carolina and at Harvard University.

And the Harvard case in particular represents a new line of attack from those who are opposed to schools using race as a determining factor for admission.

And that line of attack says that affirmative action is practiced at Harvard discriminates in particular against Asian Americans. The justices are now in the process of their deliberations on that issue but we want to get to it now.

So here is the question before us what we're going to debate is is affirmative action unfair to Asian Americans.

We have got two lawyers who are going to be debating this with us and I'd like to welcome them to the program. First Lee Chang has been involved in this issue for more than 30 years. He is the child of Chinese immigrants who learned English at the age of five.

And in addition to working for a few different law firms, he has held C-suite positions at companies like New Egg and Gibson guitars. Lee, thanks so much for joining us at Intelligent Squared.

I'm absolutely thrilled to be here, John. Thank you for having me. And John Yang is president and executive director of Asian Americans advancing justice A-A-J-C.

The title describes his passion. He has been fighting for the rights of Asian Americans for a long time, has also worked in the world of big law, and in government under President Obama, he was senior advisor for trade and strategic initiatives at the US Department of Commerce.

John, thanks so much also for joining us on Intelligent Squared.

So before we get to our first round, I just want to check in to learn which side each of you will be arguing. So Lee Chang, please go first. On the question, is affirmative action unfair to Asian Americans? Do you say yes or no?

I say absolutely yes, but it's nuanced. Thank you. Well, we like nuance on Intelligent Squared. So I'm glad to hear you say that.

So John Yang, this is a binary. So we know that you're going to be arguing no, but to get it on the record, I want to have you say it.

The question is affirmative action unfair to Asian Americans? Are you a yes or a no? No, affirmative action is not unfair to Asian Americans. We should be able to talk about our race.

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