Hi, everybody, Ben Parker from the bulwark, joined here by our new colleague, General Mark Hurtling,

because there is yet more to discuss about this ongoing.

You know, I'm sure in the military, they have a bunch of very colorful terms for what's going on in the Caribbean right now.

You too probably won't allow us to say a lot of them.

But, you know.

Any of them, Ben, I know. Any of them, Ben.

I can't say a word, but they're all tumbling around in my head right now because this is an incredibly bad situation.

Incredibly bad.

Yeah, honestly, we shouldn't be laughing.

This is about, as you wrote today and a great piece on the bulwark about Pete Hegseff, moral failure,

and the costs of moral erosion, this is really about possibly people dying, illegal orders,

war crimes, innocent people dying, I should say. And specifically the update that we're talking

about right now is that earlier today, the Pentagon

press secretary in response to questions about this Washington Post report alleging that

Pete Hegseth, Secretary of Defense, gave the order to kill survivors of an attack on a boat,

defenseless people.

The Beningon said, no, actually, it was this other admiral who was

responsible, not the Secretary of Defense and so, I know, the president. So just so we go in order

here real quick. Originally, when the story came out, the Washington Post reported this piece saying

Secretary of Defense said, kill them all, even if they're defenseless people who are floating in the

water. Penningon said, quote, we told even if they are defenseless people who are floating in the water.

Pentagon said, quote, we told the Washington Post that this entire narrative was false yesterday.

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