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The movement we know as Black Lives Matter began 10 years ago in 2013 as a hashtag. We're going to look at how things have

changed in that decade on today's program. Now, I've never had the experience of being

followed by security in a store. I've never been stopped and frisk, wrongly accused, or manhandled

by the police. But millions of people, principally black Americans, report that this kind of treatment

happens to them all the time.

Where earlier civil rights struggles centered on voting rights or discrimination and schooling,

Black Lives Matter focused above all on policing, on excessive stops, on use of force

and violence, all directed at black and brown people. And Black Lives Matter popularized the slogan

defund the police, which quickly became a matter of controversy. To try to gauge the impact of Black Lives Matter over the past decade,

we're joined by Kai Wright, who's the host of WNYC's Notes from America.

Ten years into the movement that emerged following Traylon Martin's horrific killing,

there's a simple question you could ask.

Has there been any measurable change in addressing police violence and abuse?

The answer is not simple.

There have been many, many efforts at fixing this problem, but we're going to dig into three specific areas of reform.

Transparency, accountability, and just tracking the problem. We gathered three experts who

come at these challenges from slightly different angles. Anya Bidwell is an attorney for the

Institute for Justice. Mike White is a professor of criminology at Arizona State University,

and Samuel Sinyang Wei is the founder of mapping police violence

and police scorecard. Samuel was in his 20s, working at a nonprofit that focused on economic

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