That was terrifying, wasn't it?

Did you, good grief.

Did you hear that?

That sort of charmed at the Victory Day Parade in Moscow.

So Putin's busy accusing the Ukrainians of being Nazis or of deploying Nazi tactics.

And yet he's having what, I think, by anybody's standards, sounds like a huge version of a Nuremberg rally.

That was absolutely, I don't know why that one got me, got me right in the, right in the chest, that sense of a, because you don't think it's real, do you?

Even when you see it in the history books, even when you see the footage.

I still marvel at the fact, I was born in 1972, I still marvel at the fact that that was so close to the end of the Second World War, so much closer to the middle of the Second World War than it is to now. I kind of felt like a different age, a different era growing up. I don't know whether that's... It's not just me. I have actually had this conversation with some other people before making a complete nini of myself on the radio.

But whether it is conscious or subconscious for societies to do it in the way that men from that generation, particularly men, but women as well, that didn't speak about their experiences and held it all in.

It's amazing if you were born, if you're older than me, it's even more acute, I think.

So young enough not to have been directly connected to it, but old enough to realize that within less than 30 years,

it looked like ancient history when you, when you arrived in school. And that terrifies me that noise, that sound, that bellow, that charmed, because

when it speaks of all the worse, well, I was going to say dystopians, but dystopians are like

fictional futures, whereas in fact, what dystopians really reflect upon is possible presence, isn't it?

And not past. Sorry, I'm just looking at the news today and thinking, holy moly.

So you've got that, that's global.

And then you've got the cost of living crisis moving on to a scale that Martin Lewis and others told us what happened.

But again, it's like, do you know, in the science museum, when you have those two metal balls and there's like a spark of electricity passing from one to the other, I've got a real sense this morning that the spark of electricity isn't passing from one to the other,

the threat of what is building in Ukraine. What will Putin do next? Conscription?

It is potentially, you know, World War III. That's what Ukrainians have been telling us from

Zelensky down pretty much since this started. And then that

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