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Thank you so much. Welcome back to Real Vision. I'm Ash Bennington. Today, I have the pleasure of speaking with

Jared Dillian, editor of the Daily Dirtnap and an old school Real Vision favorite.

Jared, it's always great to have you on the show.

Old school.

I love it.

We're the old school crew man here at Real Vision.

Yep.

Yep.

I actually remember when Real Vision first started, Roe gave me like this like this little like camera with like an SD drive to take like videos to my office. And it was a complete disaster. Like I recorded a couple videos. I'm like, like, it's really hard to do it like by yourself, like just talking into a camera. So it was terrible. Um, but But that was like in like 2015 or something like that.

So listen, here's the thing about innovation, man.

If it doesn't start as a complete disaster, you're not thinking outside the box.

Right.

Like if it was easy, everybody would be doing it.

And now, and I'm not going to name any names, but i think there were one or two people who've copied real vision maybe one or two a little bit

yep that's okay listen we're glad to have him Jared it's a interesting moment to have you with

us kind of an inflection point to talk about trade policy

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