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Unexplainable

Is a little alcohol bad for you?

Unexplainable

Vox

Science, Natural Sciences, Life Sciences

4.62.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 September 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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We spoke to two researchers who disagree about the answer to this question. But they do agree about why it's so hard to answer to begin with. Guests: Dylan Scott, senior correspondent at Vox; Kenneth Mukamal, physician and academic researcher at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center; Timothy Naimi, director of the University of Victoria’s Canadian Institute for Substance Use Research For show transcripts, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vox.com/unxtranscripts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠For more, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vox.com/unexplainable⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠And please email us! ⁠⁠⁠unexplainable@vox.com⁠⁠⁠We read every email.Support Unexplainable (and get ad-free episodes) by becoming a Vox Member today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vox.com/members⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Dylan Scott, a senior correspondent and senior good pal of mine.

0:08.0

Bird Pinkerton, pal of mine, and co-host of Unexplainable.

0:12.7

You have a mystery for me, I believe, about alcohol.

0:16.8

I do. So if you're anything like me, you know, I think we both grew up in the 90s, you have heard some very mixed messages about what drinking moderate amounts of alcohol can do for your health.

0:31.9

Just in time for the weekend, a new warning about the dangers of alcohol and cancer.

0:37.2

It feels like every week you read the news and there's a new warning about the dangers of alcohol and cancer.

0:42.5

It feels like every week you read the news and there's a new study about alcohol and it's saying the exact opposite of the study you were reading about last week.

0:46.7

Several studies have shown moderate drinking may be good for your overall health, but

0:51.7

no amount of alcohol is good for your health.

0:54.5

Less drinking means less risk.

0:56.7

So I decided, like, I want to get to the bottom of this for myself and for our audience.

1:02.9

Like, I want to actually understand what to think about the health effects of drinking

1:08.0

moderate amounts of alcohol.

1:13.4

Okay. And so what did you find? Like, what are the health effects of drinking moderate amounts

1:20.7

of alcohol? Well, this is unexplainable. So I found it was unexplainable, but in a way that I think is really

1:30.9

interesting and revealing. Because this story of alcohol's health effects that are imperfect

1:38.7

attempts to measure it is I think the story of how it's really, really hard to isolate and pin down the health effects of all kinds of things that we really would want answers about, these things that we interact with and consume all of the time.

1:57.4

Okay. Let's go.

2:22.0

Okay. Let's go. You know, I think to start. You know, I think to start, we should establish that the science is pretty settled when it comes to heavy drinking.

2:24.5

Alcohol is bad for you.

2:26.7

It has neurological effects.

2:28.6

It causes liver disease.

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