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The Owen Jones Podcast

Is A Cold War With China Inevitable?

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Politics, Government, News & Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 20 September 2021

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

As the US, UK and Australia sign a new pact, is a new dangerous Cold War with China inevitable? We're joined by Kerry Brown, Professor of Chinese Studies, King's College, London; Martin Jacques, author of "When China Rules the World"; and China historian David Brophy.


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0:00.0

Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to the show. We've got a very, very important show today.

0:18.0

Tensions are rising between the West and China have been for a considerable amount of time,

0:24.0

but also tensions emerging in pretty stark terms between members of the Western Alliance.

0:31.7

Following a new pact struck between Australia, the United States and Britain,

0:38.3

France has recalled its ambassadors to the US and Australia. This is a protest at Australia

0:45.0

cancelling an order for French-built submarines and the security package existed. We're going to talk

0:52.0

about, obviously, the emergence of China as a great power is a story which has been happening

0:58.0

for a very, very long time. The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 left the US

1:02.9

broadly speaking, a global hegemon, but there were trends already existing, the US

1:08.7

share of the global economy shrinking, and despite that boost, we've seen the emergence

1:14.7

particularly of China as a great power, increasingly asserting its own role.

1:21.0

So we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the tensions that exist.

1:23.8

Is a Cold War? This is a term, obviously, often thrown around. I think about the Cold War,

1:28.6

I think it's worth noting, because I've seen a discussion which has been taking place on social

1:33.1

media, which is that a Cold War is not that pleasant in lots of ways. You get nuclear

1:40.4

armed powers having a standoff, but it's not the same as a hot war. But of course, in the actual

1:45.4

Cold War, there were hot wars, not least in, for example, South East Asia, Afghanistan, most

1:51.9

strikingly, large parts of Africa, Asia, and so on. So as well as dictatorships, coups,

1:59.2

and other proxy wars in Latin America, so is the comparison valid because we've not seen anything

2:07.4

on those terms yet. But is it possible that these tensions could escalate, not least as China

2:15.0

continues its ascent? And obviously, we've seen the financial crash and arguably COVID accelerate

2:23.3

existing trends in terms of power from West East. Now, before bringing that brilliant guess,

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