This started a long life of group homes, detention centers, and ultimately prison.

At what point did they intervene?

Why didn't they intervene?

It's a situation that I would not want to find myself in.

I would never want to get attacked, and I would never want to have to defend myself by killing somebody.

And the big question we always ask, John, is just a spin served here.

This is True Crimecast.

This is True Crimecast.

Jamie, as always, with John, what's up?

Hey man, Kentucky is up, especially their allergies.

I am allergic to everything growing right now, so I apologize for my voice.

A lot of pollen going on, if it helps, I think you sound better.

I'm pretty sure Kentucky's state flower is golden rod.

Yeah, and it's blooming right now, and it is one of the worst things I'm allergic to.

Yeah, I can tell. You're pretty sniffly.

I feel great. I just can't breathe.

That's okay. Well, I hope you feel better.

We're going to do this anyway if that's cool.

Oh yeah, I'm excited about it, actually.

Very good. We got a good one for you today.

But as always, we're going to give some thank yous out before we get started.

For some recent five-star reviews over on Apple podcasts.

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