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The Bunker – News without the nonsense

Iron Curtain Call – How The Spy Who Came In From The Cold still tells the ugly truth about espionage

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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News, Government, Politics, Society & Culture

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

John le Carré was still a working secret agent when he wrote The Spy Who Came In From The Cold, the book that shocked the Britain of 1963 with its portrait of espionage not as heroic but as sordid, morally compromised and utterly without glamour. In comparison James Bond’s escapist world of girls and gadgets seemed naive and shallow. As a new stage adaptation of The Spy opens, its playwright David Eldridge talks to Andrew Harrison about adapting le Carré’s deep, dark vision for 2025 – why he expanded the role of George Smiley – and what The Spy has to say about the West’s new Cold War with Putin. • The Spy Who Came In From The Cold runs @sohoplace Theatre in London's West End from 17 Nov-21 Feb, ahead of a major UK tour in 2026. Tickets are available from https://spyonstage.com/ • We are sponsored by Indeed. Go to indeed.com/bunker for £100 sponsored credit.   www.patreon.com/bunkercast  Written and presented by Andrew Harrison Producer: Liam Tait. Audio production by Robin Warren. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ancestry, the online database that helps you discover your family history. We're coming up to Remembrance Day, and it's a time when a lot of us think about what our families were experiencing during the war. Both of my granddad's fort in the Second World War. One was held prisoner in Italy, and for a while my nan didn't know whether he was alive or dead. The other was in the tanks and he never spoke much about it.

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I feel like I ought to know more about what they and their families went through.

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