Welcome back to Irish Illustrated Insider. It is Thursday, April 30th. I'm Tim O'Malley, joined today by John Bryce of USA Today, Pete Sampson of the Athletic. Pete Sampson on the road with the athletic.

And guys, you were not on our Monday podcast, so I want to turn it over to you both for some blue gold game thoughts, maybe primarily, but also spring as a whole. This is our week to talk about the blue gold scrimmage. No running clock, Pete Sampson. I know you were a fan of that. But still, you do get to see individuals, as Tim Preister has said in our podcast. You don't see schemes. You don't see groups, but individuals can shine in that game. Yeah, and I know Tim mentioned Jaden Sanders.

He was kind of one of the guys that popped for me on Saturday.

You know, I think it's, you know, guys that move from like question mark to like, oh, he might help you.

Like I was pretty skeptical that Devin Fitzgerald was going to help them this year.

I'm not anymore. You know, and that may be in a very supporting going to help them this year. I'm not anymore.

And that may be in a very supporting, deep supporting role.

So, yeah, there are guys like, I thought that the defensive line that came out of spring,

incredibly impressed by that group.

I think the defense has got a chance to be kind of even better than what I thought.

I could hear offense coordinators all over the country with their tiny violins. has got a chance to be kind of even better than what I thought.

I could hear offense coordinators all over the country with their tiny violins.

When Chris Ash was like, I don't know where this depth is you keep telling me about.

I'm just like, dude, your roster.

So yeah, and I would say on the flip side, the receiver position was probably my biggest disappointment of spring because I just thought it would be Phazon and Graham and they'd get a couple other guys in that group.

And I think you leave.

I know they felt like they had a top five, but I feel like they have a top two and then they've got a bunch of guys that need to prove it.

And I thought that's probably the position where I feel like they've got the most

ground to gain during the summer and in a training camp.

Yeah, Sanders for me, and we had talked about him, I think, on last Thursday's pod.

And then he followed up with Saturday just flashing, you know, he's got such great physical skills and plays. I mean, he's got a great

frame, but he plays even larger than his six-foot frame just because of how long his limbs are

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