Just how far could the Iran war just spiral completely and utterly out of control?

I mean, we are a few weeks in now.

Obviously Donald Trump thought it'd be over in a few days.

That's not happening.

Just what could this escalate to?

I think it's worth interrogating this.

I'm really delighted to be joined by Annel Shalene, who a former US government official, resigned over Israel's genocide

against the Palestinian people, and is also a research fellow at the Quinstein Institute for

responsible statecraft to do really brilliant work on, I don't know, opposing the world,

collapsing to mayhem. It's not the official description that, how are you doing?

All right. How are you doing? All right.

How are you doing?

Not too bad, given everything, I suppose, going on.

Let's just, I mean, just in terms of how this could spiral.

And it's always a bancaba kind of conversation to be had, but kind of necessary, I would say.

It's suggesting at the moment, because what's happening is the gold countries thought they'd be

safe by having US bases.

That was like the pact, but it's actually done the opposite.

It's left them exposed.

But they're getting hit kind of badly, but they're not hitting back because they're, just

explain that dynamic because it's quite a unique dynamic.

And just to do the what's happening with the Gulf countries, how much we know.

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