Hi, Bill Crystal here. Welcome to Bullwork on Sunday. Very pleased to be joined today at noon Sunday,

March 15th. You have to specify the date because God knows things could change, you know, within an hour or something.

With, joined by Bob Kagan, foreign policy, historian and analyst, and not just foreign policy. The

most recent book is also about American domestic history.

Author a very important article in the Atlantic about six weeks ago, America versus the world,

a scholar at the Brookings Institution. You discussed America versus the world with Tim Miller,

a very good podcast about five, six weeks ago, which I recommend to people. It hasn't been

overtaken by events, though. This was, of course, before the war in Iran, right? But it stands up,

right? I mean, sure, because it's mostly, you know, it's mostly about the breakdown of the

world order, which is being accelerated by the war in Iran.

So, yeah.

So let's talk about that. I mean, we're six weeks, six weeks. I mean, we're six, what are we? Two weeks, 16 days in to the war, I guess. Is that right? I'm not that's so good. It feels longer, but yeah. Yeah, two weeks in. And I mean, there's people like... Many of us have probably been a little too preoccupied, actually, with, you know, what's in Trump's mind? What's he going to do? Which is important, obviously. We can get back to that. But give me your sort of, you know, what difference... What has happened? Where do we stand in the war and what are its geopolitical implications so far that we can talk about going forward?

Yeah, I think that, you know, obviously the outcome of the war is in doubt.

We don't, we can't really foresee what's going to happen, partly because we can't, we don't

know what, Donald Trump has a really huge choice to make,

basically, which is either go all in, as some are urging like the Wall Street Journal and

just really deal with this problem once and for all, which also, by the way, implies a huge,

long-term American military commitment. You can't just go in and do that and then run out

or to try to find some way to bug out and declare victory as other people are saying he has

the choice to make.

But until he makes that choice, I don't think how we're going to know how this war is going to

turn out.

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