Iran vs. Israel and America – What next after the 12 day war?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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🗓️ 7 August 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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After the 12 day war, which saw Israel and the US bomb Iran and its nuclear facilities, where next for the Iranian regime? Questions remain over the Tehran regime’s ability to stay in power after decades of tensions in the region exploded on Iranian soil in June, its strategy of ‘forward defence’ left in ruins following Israel’s attacks on Iranian-aligned militia groups. Will Iran now continue to pursue what’s left of the nuclear programme targeted by US and Israeli strikes, or can a lasting diplomatic solution finally be found? Gavin Esler talks to Vali Nasr – the Majid Khadduri Professor of International Affairs and Middle East Studies at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies, and the author of Iran’s Grand Strategy – A Political History. • This episode of This Is Not A Drill is supported by Incogni, the service that keeps your private information safe, protects you from identity theft and keeps your data from being sold. There’s a special offer for This Is Not A Drill listeners – go to https://incogni.com/notadrill to get an exclusive 60% off your annual plan. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Advertisers! Want to reach smart, engaged, influential people with money to spend? (Yes, they do exist). Some 3.5 MILLION people download and watch our podcasts every month – and they love our shows. Why not get YOUR brand in front of our influential listeners with podcast advertising? Contact ads@podmasters.co.uk to find out more Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Here's a couple of questions which governments from the Middle East to the United States
0:11.1	and here in Europe have been pondering for years, but now seem most urgent.
0:16.8	What does Iran want?
0:18.3	And could this great country be capable of change?
0:25.1	To be more specific, what does the Iranian revolutionary government want right now after being bombed by the United States and seeing its allies in Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis,
0:30.6	attacked and weakened?
0:32.8	Iran fought a war with neighbouring Iraq for eight years in the 1980s,
0:36.5	and it's an understatement to say
0:37.9	it's a tough neighborhood. Turkey, a NATO member, plus Azerbaijan and Armenia lied to the northwest,
0:44.5	Turkmenistan to the northeast, Afghanistan and Pakistan to the east and southeast. And as we've seen
0:50.8	recently, Israel is literally within striking distance.
0:55.3	Our guest today is an Iranian-American author and international affairs specialist,
0:59.9	and we'll be discussing whether a better life is possible for Iranians
1:03.7	and whether the Iranian revolutionary government is capable of change,
1:08.1	or could it even be replaced.
1:11.2	I'm Gavin Esler. This is not a Drill. I'm Gavin Esler.
1:39.4	Each week we bring you the insights from experts and those with real experience of global flashpoints,
1:45.8	examining the causes and consequences of the threats to stability we all face today.
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2:08.7	notes. I'm joined today by Valli Nasser, the Majid Khaduri Professor of International Affairs
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