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Iran | Feat. Kim Ghattas | The Legacies Of 1979 | 2

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🗓️ 5 March 2026

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Afua and Peter explore the seismic shift of 1979, tracing how a single revolutionary year transformed Iran from a U.S.-allied monarchy into a militarised theocracy determined to export its "Black Wave" across the Middle East. They analyse the regime's enduring "besieged mentality"—forged by a decade of war and perceived Western betrayals—and the defiant courage of a younger generation now dancing in the face of brutal suppression. They are joined by Emmy Award-winning journalist and author Kim Ghattas, whose deep reporting on the Saudi-Iran rivalry reveals how the echoes of 1979 continue to drive the proxies and power plays of 2026.


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0:00.0

Since we recorded this episode, the situation in and around Iran has shifted dramatically.

0:05.7

In the morning of Saturday the 28th of February, the US and Israel launched extensive air and missile

0:11.9

strikes on targets across Iran, resulting in significant damage, the death of the supreme leader

0:17.5

Aleh Khamenei and many of the Iranian leadership, and many civilian casualties as well.

0:23.6

Iran has responded with its own missile and drone attacks against Israeli and US positions in the region,

0:29.8

with the conflict broadening across the Gulf and beyond, with global political and economic repercussions.

0:37.2

Although Afwa and I recorded this episode just a few

0:40.3

hours before the attacks began, it provides context and underlines the importance of what is at stake.

0:48.0

Welcome to the second in our three-part series on Iran. We're going to carry on looking at the

0:53.4

history of one of the most important

0:55.0

countries in global histories, not just in southwestern Asia or even regionally, but to think

1:00.2

about why Iran is so misunderstood on the world stage. If there is one international news story that

1:06.7

you cannot get away from at the moment, it's what is happening in Iran, the buildup of military

1:11.8

action from the US, the pressure from allies and enemies in the region for the US and the UK,

1:18.7

the potential for a full-blown war between Iran and the US, or the potential for peace talks,

1:24.7

which have been going on really, as I see it, most of my life,

1:27.7

but are in a new phase right now with the Trump administration, whichever your position,

1:32.9

however you see it, there is no denying that Iran is a really important country right now,

1:39.4

that all eyes are on Iran. And I keep thinking that I wonder how possible it is to really understand

1:45.8

what's happening in Iran without going back to the origin of this regime in Iran, which all

1:53.2

stems back to the 1979 revolution. So we thought it would be a great idea to do a few episodes

1:57.8

about Iran, why it matters in history and what's going on today.

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