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Next Up with Mark Halperin

Iran Ceasefire “Fog of Peace," Debating the "8 For 28," and The AI Revolution, with Jonathan Turley

Next Up with Mark Halperin

MK Media

News, Daily News, Politics

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2026

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

This episode of “Next Up with Mark Halperin” tackles the growing uncertainty shaping today’s biggest geopolitical story, as Mark uses his reported monologue to unpack the “fog of peace” surrounding the Iran ceasefire and why even top officials can’t fully explain what’s happening behind the scenes. He also takes on tough criticism of his April “8 for ’28” rankings of the Democrats top presidential prospects, breaking down the backlash, what he stands by, and how he evaluates the evolving field. Then, Jonathan Turley joins for a wide-ranging conversation on history, technology, and the rule of law. He discusses the inspiration behind his new book and why Thomas Paine remains such a complicated and consequential figure, before drawing striking parallels between America’s founding and the disruptive potential of the AI revolution. Turley also weighs in on mounting concerns about bias and political pressure inside the Justice Department, and what it all means for public trust in American institutions. Acre Gold: Start building physical gold with simple monthly payments and enter to win two Ancient Collection gold bars at https://GetAcreGold.com/MARK 120Life: Go to https://120Life.com and use code NEXTUP to save 20% Bank On Yourself: Discover the retirement plan banks Don't want you to know about—get your free report at https://BankOnYourself.com/Mark Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/next-up-with-mark-halperin/id1810218232 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/2f0n8G4xqUo8aGxbbbtRjH%3Fsi%3D8e4ff54000cc438d Follow Next Up with Mark Halperin on all social platforms: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nextuphalperin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nextuphalperin X (Twitter): https://x.com/NextUpHalperin Connect with Mark Halperin on social media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/markevanhalperin X (Twitter): https://x.com/markhalperin

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0:00.0

everybody i'm mark cowper and this is next up we're in either time of peace or time of war hard to

0:06.8

know i'm the editor-in-chief of two-way live interactive video platform your host here to everything

0:12.4

next up for all nexters to convene to visit to celebrate the complexities of life and the

0:18.0

complexity of news glad you're here'm going to make you happy you joined

0:22.4

and invested the time together. We have lots to go on. First, my reported monologue on what I'm calling

0:27.3

the fog of peace or the fog of ceasefire. This is an extremely confusing moment in the war by the time

0:35.1

you hear this. Maybe it'll be more confusing, maybe less. But I'm going to walk you through from talking to my sources why it is that things are so

0:41.8

confusing right now on a range of issues. Then we'll unveil a new segment here. Last episode,

0:47.6

I unveiled my April edition of 8 for 28, the most likely Democratic nominees, and got some

0:53.3

lovely feedback and maybe some feedback less lovely.

0:56.4

We're calling this segment eight for 28 hate, a little tongue in cheek, but going to go through

1:01.9

some of the feedback got some very constructive and some more pointed, I would say, maybe some

1:08.5

even brutal to what you all thought.

1:15.9

When Nexters think about the rankings, some of you think they're spot on, some of you less so.

1:21.3

So I'll show you some of what the community is saying about where they think I'm wrong on this months.

1:22.0

And then joined by a great guest, somebody I've followed and respected a long time, Jonathan Turley,

1:27.2

he's the author of the new

1:28.0

book, Rage in the Republic, The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution. We're in a celebratory year,

1:34.9

even though there's a lot of dark things going on, 250th anniversary of America and Jonathan

1:38.4

has written a book to match the moment about the founding, some of the founders of this country

1:43.7

and how their lessons very much apply, some of the founders of this country and how their lessons very

1:46.0

much apply to some of the complexities we're grappling with now. Also, talk to Jonathan about some

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