Before you listen to this episode, just a quick word on a PTO live event.

On the 16th of May in London, Gargibaticharya and Richard Seymour will be in conversation with me

on the topic of disaster nationalism, racial capitalism and the crisis of the Liberal

International Order.

We'll be talking about the root causes of the rise of the far right, how the left should respond,

and whether what we are seeing is the emergence of a 21st century iteration of fascism.

The event is free and we'll be taking place on the evening of the 16th of May at Space 4 in Finsbury Park, North London.

You'll find a link to book your spot at the event in the description of today's episode.

It would be wonderful to see lots of you there.

Thank you. Hello and welcome to another episode of Politics Theory Other.

In today's episode, I spoke to international security expert Paul Rogers about Iran's attack on Israel on the 13th of April. The first such direct operation carried out

by Iran, itself launched in response to Israel's attack on the Iranian consulate building in Damascus.

We discussed whether the operation was a failure or a qualified success and the role of the

United States, Britain, France and Jordan in the downing of Iranian missiles and drones.

We also talked about the progress of Iran's nuclear weapons program and how the attacks

on the 13th may have distracted attention from the IDF's failure to defeat Hamas in Gaza.

Paul Rogers is Emeritus Professor of Peace Studies

in the Department of Peace Studies and International Relations at Bradford University,

and he is the International Security correspondent for Open Democracy. The interview was recorded

prior to Israel's retaliatory strikes on Iran, and so yesterday I got Paul on the phone again

to give his thoughts

on Israel's response. I began by asking him what he makes of the nature of the attacks

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