Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan, and today's guest for the influence continuum is a distinguished person that I've been trying to get to do this podcast with me since I started it.

Ira Chalif.

Ira is the author of this important book called

Intelligent Disobedience,

Doing Right When What You're Told to Do Is Wrong,

which is fantastic.

And the courageous follower,

and there's a whole movement internationally of followerships like how to be a conscious

follower keeping your eye on the values and the mission and not being forced to suppress your conscience

and your good common sense by the forces above especially if there's like an authoritarian type structure

that you're in. And I also want to thank you for your program, ThinkBlink Choice Voice,

which I think is think blank choice.com. If people want to see a short video you made aimed at children,

teaching them principles from intelligence, disobedience of if you're told to do something you know

is wrong, like taking your pants down to a coach or go out there on the field and trip up the

quarterback and make them injured, to really think, blink, realize you have a choice, and then verbalize.

No, I'm not going to do that or go tell an authority figure.

All of these books are just amazingly important in my work to counter authoritarian control.

And Ira, you've had a distinguished career.

You've done all kinds of consulting and advising around the world, leadership councils.

You have a long bio. I'm going to put in the blog that we do. Forgive me for not saying more.

But I want to thank you for doing this and open the channel for you to maybe do an opening comment about this

space that you have carved out such a huge contribution for. Well, my pleasure, Steve,

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