So let's get right into it.

So if you don't mind, just start off maybe sharing with the audience your relationship

over the years and how many hours you've spent with Epstein, as well as your relationship

with President Trump.

Sure.

So in 2014, I had known Epstein somewhat before this.

He had tried, he was a member of a group of wealthy men who in 2004, 2005, tried to buy New York Magazine,

where I worked and was the lead writer.

So I got to know him fairly well during during this period. He did not, his group did

not end up buying New York Magazine. Not long after that, his legal problems began, and then he went to jail.

So I didn't really have any much, I didn't have any involvement with him until he got out of jail,

called me, we got together, and then in 2014, he asked me to write about him, a book, magazine article.

Clearly, he was interested in being rehabilitated.

He had gone to jail.

You know, he's for two counts of prostitution, one of those counts being an underage girl, and was a registered sex offender, so he wanted, he wanted to return to his life. and in large measure he had um you know still lived in his

enormous house in in Manhattan many people of influence and note were showing up but he wanted

to continue continue this rehabilitation, and he figured if someone

wrote about him that would help. And I said, well, actually, I'm probably not the person,

and I'm probably not interested in that. he said that's fine you know I did he

I certainly didn't have to make a decision and he said well why don't if you're interested why

don't you just come whenever you'd like to talk to me see if my story is interesting to you see if you

feel that I'm straightforward and And also, there's many interesting

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