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Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Invisible Threads: Weaving Mental Health and Democracy in Trump Times with Kate Woodsome

Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.8684 Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Kate Woodsome is the founder of The Invisible Threads Project, which studies the relationship between mental health and democracy. We talked about the recent election of Trump and the support for that process from the Heritage Foundation, Opus Dei implications, and Project 2025. She was part of The Washington Post team who won a Pulitzer Prize for Public Service in coverage of the January 6th Capitol attack. Woodsome left The Washington Post in 2023, stating in her biography that she could no longer normalize the trauma, burnout, and moral injury pervasive in the industry. She noted in our discussion that her childhood contained abuse and trauma that the Capitol attack would reawaken. Once able to rely on being a workaholic who pushed through, she decided to take a step back and focus on healing and the rediscovery of self-identity and self-worth. This eventually allowed her to return to focus on social movements. She covered The People’s March on January 18th, 2025, and then went on to speak with Trump supporters outside of the Capital One Arena in Washington, D.C., following his inauguration. “What I’m really trying to focus on is civil discourse and looking at the underlying roots of our problems, as opposed to their ugly symptoms,” said Woodsome.We discussed looking for opportunities with family and friends to find common ground and common beliefs. We also discussed empowering people to think for themselves. Not everyone is as radicalized, and fringe members may not fully understand the beliefs and practices of the core community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of my podcast, retitled Cult Conversations,

0:12.1

the Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan.

0:15.7

And I have with me a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist.

0:20.1

I'm very excited to get to know and share her good work

0:24.1

with my audience. Kate Woodson studies the relationship between mental health and democracy.

0:32.0

As a writer, filmmaker, and reformer, she's exposing the social and political forces and narratives that keep people isolated

0:40.5

and unwell. Why? Because she believes an educated, empathetic electorate can create the conditions for

0:48.2

collective well-being. You're singing my song, Kate. But back to your bio.

0:56.2

Your work has three facets.

0:58.2

You write invisible threads, which is on substack.

1:02.7

It's a rare weekly newsletter dedicated to uncovering,

1:07.2

excuse me, uncovering the ties between the health of our minds and our body politic.

1:13.2

You're a non-resident fellow with Georgetown University's Research and Design Unit, the Red House.

1:19.7

There you focus on multidisciplinary efforts to transform cycles of intergenerational trauma

1:27.0

into cycles, intergenerational well-being.

1:31.8

It's a mouthful.

1:33.5

Yeah, so trauma into well-being.

1:35.7

I can relate to that, and so can my listeners, I'm sure.

1:39.8

And finally, Kate, you're a narrative reformer, developing trauma-informed workshops to equip

1:46.8

storytellers and the people they feature with resilience-building tools to leave them feeling

1:53.2

safer and more empowered than exploited and depleted. My people need you, I can tell you. So you've been with the Washington Post,

2:04.4

part of the team that won the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service for the coverage of the

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