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Welcome to invention, a production of I Heart Radio.

Hey, welcome to invention. My name is Robert Lam. And I'm Joe McCormick. And Robert,

I know you want to talk about D&D before we get to the real subject, right?

Well, I don't know. I was thinking about doing it last, but we can go ahead and talk about it

up front. Yeah, well, in Dungeons and Dragons, you have all these various demon lords. And they

rule over various sort of portions of the theme population in the game. And there are two demon

lords in particular that I was thinking about in regards to today's episode. And that would be

Zugdmoy and Jubilix. So Zugdmoy is the demon lord of fungi, the queen of fungi, the master of

decay. And then opposing her, Everett odds with her is Jubilix, the faceless lord, which is a god

of oozes and slimes and blobs, you know, all the oozing nasty creatures of Dungeons and Dragons.

And yeah, they oppose each other. They're constant war with each other. And in some campaigns,

like their forces and even their embodied forms do battle with one another. And it actually ties

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