Invading Greenland Would Be a Disaster (w/ Mark Hertling) | Command Post
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🗓️ 8 January 2026
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Sam Stein sits down with Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling (Ret.) to break down the recent Maduro operation in Venezuela, the challenges of coordinating military and political strategy, and what the U.S. would actually gain from Greenland. Mark will break down the biggest stories involving the military in a series of chats right here, every Thursday, in a special series.
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| 0:00.0 | I've actually been to Greenland once to a place called Tully. How was it? And it was during the summer and I froze my ass off. This is not a place you want to have a lot of troops to defend something. Hey, everyone. It's me, Sam Stein, managing editor at the Bullwark. And we're doing something a little bit different here today. We're having a chat like we do normally for Bullwark takes. But we're going to make it sort of distinct. |
| 0:39.7 | We're going to talk with Mark Hurtling, who you all know. I call him General Hurtling, but he says I have to call him Mark. So for now, I'm going to call Mark. And we're going to talk about what's happening in Venezuela. And maybe a little bit more than that. We're going to talk about what Donald Trump is doing on the world stage and what feels like to me and maybe a little bit more than that. We're going to talk about what Donald Trump is doing on the world stage and what feels like to me and maybe Mark can agree or disagree, |
| 0:44.0 | kind of a precarious moment, or at least a more dynamic one |
| 0:47.8 | than we've had up to this point in this administration, |
| 0:51.0 | threats to take over different countries, including Greenland, talk of regime |
| 0:55.5 | change in different countries, including Cuba, Colombia, Mexico even. It's a lot. And we're |
| 1:00.9 | fortunate enough to have Mark here, who has a tremendous amount of experience in the military |
| 1:05.6 | with global affairs and can basically impact these things better than anyone in the business. So we thought about, |
| 1:13.8 | I don't know, branding the show, Mark, and I don't know, do you like what? The military hour, |
| 1:19.2 | command post. Do you have any ideas about how this should go? Yeah, what should be called? I kind of |
| 1:23.4 | like command post. That harkens back to some deja vu that I just had some both good times and |
| 1:28.4 | nightmares. So let's try that. But what I think we're looking to do, Sam, as we talked about it |
| 1:34.1 | earlier, is allow me to provide some information on just the military and the national security |
| 1:41.9 | aspect of this from experiences and from things that I've done in the past and the national security aspect of this from experiences and from things that |
| 1:45.8 | I've done in the past and relate them from not only a military career, but even after that |
| 1:51.3 | in terms of national security. And what I have to do is first have a caveat of saying, I have |
| 1:57.4 | no security clearance anymore. I used to have a top secret code word, but I gave that up when I left the military. |
| 2:04.0 | So this is all just experiential and kind of having a feel for what actually happens in these |
| 2:11.1 | kind of scenarios when you're deploying troops or conducting affairs like we seem to be |
| 2:15.9 | conducting right now all over the world. |
| 2:18.0 | Well, look, I never had a security clearance. |
| 2:20.4 | And yet I talk with conviction as if I know what I'm saying. |
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