What the hell is going on right now? And why is it happening like this? At Wired, we're obsessed with getting to the bottom of those questions on a daily basis. And maybe you are too. I'm Katie Drummond, the global editorial director of Wired, and I'm hosting our new podcast series, The Big Interview. Each week, I'll sit down with some of the most interesting, provocative, and influential people

who are shaping our right now, CEOs and co-founders, entrepreneurs and inventors, artists, and

activists.

Yes, we'll talk about their big jobs, but I'll also interrogate who they are as human

beings, how they got where they are,

what keeps them up at night, and what keeps them going in an uncertain world.

I think most things in life are learned traits. They're not something that you're born with.

But hunger is something you can't really teach people. You're either hungry or you're not.

Big interview conversations are fun.

You know, the sharks in the Atlantic Ocean should eat all the cables underneath the

Atlantic Ocean that connect the internet.

That's the piece of technology that I want.

I want a shark that eats the internet.

That turns it all off.

Unfiltered.

Bring woke back.

I'd rather be canceled a million times for saying something that someone perceived as like remotely

ableist or something than have to fucking deal with the neo-Nazis posting Adolf Hitler

fan cams and getting hundreds of thousands of likes.

And unafraid.

The incentive structure for the bigger places is to capitulate and get in line, maintain

access, don't piss off the administration too much, don't do any of that stuff.

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