Hey y'all, today, instead of our regular program, we want to play an episode from a show we think you'll love.

I'm talking about System Catalysts, a podcast about the incredible people who are fixing the broken systems that run the world.

One of those incredible people is our CEO Julian Walker, who was interviewed alongside our board chair Udinal's

Eel for their first season. We thought you'd enjoy listening to this episode and learning about

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It's one thing to do a top-down change and say, okay, we are coming from up high and changing this thing.

But did you listen to the people? Do they understand what the changes, how it affects their lives, is this a change that's actually

reflecting what the needs are and what's the story around that? I think that

what narrative change does, it allows free to ask what results do people want. What what needs to be understood by the masses in order for system change that will

be supported and advocated for on a longer term. You're listening to system catalists.

Each week you will hear personal stories of change makers who are bringing more inclusive,

connective system-level solutions to our most persistent challenges.

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