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Hi, I'm Naima Raza.

Like all of you, I have been living for Curse of America's Next Top Model.

So to help with your and my withdrawal from season one, Bridget invited me to share a little bit about my weekly show, which is called Smart Girl, Dumb Questions.

We'll pay you a taste of a recent episode I did with Estre Perel,

the renowned psychotherapist and relationship expert, as we unpack why love feels so hard these

days. Have a listen, and if you like it, you can get the full conversation by searching for

smart girl, dumb questions, wherever you get your podcasts. And you can follow or subscribe to the show

for new episodes every Tuesday.

Astaire Perel, thank you so much for being here. Pleasure to be here. For those of you not

familiar with Estre's work, she's written two international bestsellers. She's given TED talks that

have been viewed over 50 million times. She's a keen observer of what's happening in our relationships,

not just in our love lives, but at work in all the ways that we relate to one another. I think you're really an expert on humans. On what humans do to each other, experience with each other, and long from each other. And long from each other. I want to know what you long for. We're going to get there. I have questions for you about why is it harder to fall in love as time goes on. I can't tell if it's age or if it's this modern life or if there's something about me. And I also want to start, though, with something a little bit nostalgic, which is the first time we met, because we're also friends, Esther and I. I have an image of us walking out of a building

on the street and but what were we doing in that building? Was that the Spotify building? Yes, but what

were we doing there? We were chatting and we were chatting off the record and yet I wanted to

place some tape from it today. Is that okay? Oh wow. Of the record that you recorded me? I remember I asked you for

your permission, but it was for my own notes. It was for my own notes. And I kept it. And if it's

okay, I'll play it for you. And if you don't like it. My curiosity is on. I know. This is the whole

point of the show. Smart girl. Dumb questions. We are wanting something that is the opposite of where we are living.

When you live in Pakistan, when your mother lives in Pakistan,

because you're already the generation that has been moving,

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