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Hi guys, Nancy Grace here with a very special guest joining us, her podcast Shattered Souls,

Karen Smith joining me out of LA Forensics expert lecturer, University Florida,

and host of Shattered Souls. Listen.

Hi, somebody out there on the ground. It's all good. Oh my god. Okay, so tell me exactly what happened.

My name is Karen Smith. For 11 years, I was a forensic detective in Jacksonville, Florida.

But right now, I'm just someone with stories to tell. Stories of victims you've likely never

heard of, and the emotional toll that working around death and destruction has on the people tasked

with finding the answers to what happened to them. There are things about it that are deeply rooted.

Nancy, you're exactly something.

There's just too much blood for that, and sometimes you just can't get over it. I was scared to death.

They stay on the partner. They stay on me too.

We had a really worst-case scenario. None of it made any sense. And when we rolled the body over.

Oh my stars. Karen, it is so great to talk to you. Tell me what led you to create Shattered Souls.

Shattered Souls is a compilation of journal entries that I made during my career in Jacksonville,

Florida. And I had written a book, and I took six cases from my book, and I just decided to

parlay them into the podcast. My intent was just to tell the story of the victims,

as well as how investigations are done forensically. And a sideline to that effect was

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